Romanticism, Victorian/19th 2010

Count
Romanticist:15

Victorianist: 26

19th-Century: 11

Total: 51

Demographics
ABD (early):

ABD (will finish this academic year): 10

Ph.D. in hand (one-year, VAP, Lecturer): 29

Assistant Professor: 6

Associate Professor:

Full Professor:

Lurker: 2

Already ready to write off another year of your life (in addition to one or more of the above): 8

Feeling disenchanted by the profession as a whole: 4

Is nervously checking my cell phone and my e-mail every five minutes hoping to get an MLA invite: 3

# MLA Interviews You Have Lined Up
0 interviews -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)

1 interview -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x2); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)

2 interviews -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)

3 interviews -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)

4 interviews -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)

5+ interviews -- and I'm ABD (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, employed in academia (x0); and I'm PhD in hand, not employed in academia (x0); and I'm an Assistant Professor (x0); and I'm an Associate Professor (x0)


 * Again, could those who have scheduled MLA interviews please list the name of the school in the section below?

Interviews Scheduled
Please specify method (phone, MLA, etc.)

Boise State (phone 11/16)

Longwood University (Victorian, phone 11/18)x2

University of Southern Indiana (phone 10/20)

Romantic, Victorian/19th-Century Jobs
(please add jobs alphabetically and note Romantic, Victorian, or 19th-Century, if specified in the ad)

Arizona State University (Romanticism, Victorian as possible secondary interest 11/9) link

 * email acknowledgement EEO e-form (10/29)(11/5)(11/10)

Bard College—Eugene Meyer Chair in British Studies (assistant to full-professor, no deadline)

 * Does anyone know what the status of this search is? It was posted last year without any word from anyone.
 * Q: Where was this ad listed? It's no longer on the JIL (even under "expired listings.")
 * A: I think it might have been listed on the Chronicle of Higher Education

Biola University (Victorian, 11/16)

 * email acknowledgment 11/2
 * request for more materials and attached university application via email (11/16)
 * rejection email (11/18)
 * follow-up email from English chair about proceeding with supplemental form (11/19 x2) (11/20)

Boise State University (19th-Century with primary emphasis in poetry, 11/2)

 * Email request for EEO and AA info. (11/11 x4)
 * Scheduled phone interview (11/16)
 * Rejection letter, snail mail (11/25 x 2, 11/27 x4)

Boston College (Victorian Literature and Culture, 10/19)

 * email acknowledgment (10/20), (10/27), (11/2)


 * postcard (11/2), (11/5)

Boston University (Romanticism, 10/30)

 * Search canceled due to budgetary constraints:http://www.bu.edu/english/DeptJobListing.htmlBummer
 * ...and so it begins. Who's next?
 * Received official letter of position cancellation from department chair (11/20) x4

Carthage College (multi-year renewable position in 18th-21st-century British, 11/30)

 * How exactly should I read a posting for a multi-year, renewable position? Glorified adjunct?  Not-so-glorified adjunct?
 * It's just like a one-year (VAP, visiting assistant professor) position, but has the potential for multiple years
 * Email Ack. (11/24)

Florida Atlantic University (Romanticism, 11/2)

 * Writing Sample Requested 11/20 (x4)

Harvard University (Romanticism, particularly poetry, 10/26)
request for full dissertation + additional writing sample 11/19


 * did they need some light bed-time reading?

Lehigh University (Victorian Literature and Culture, 10/19)

 * auto email ack (10/19)
 * email of rejection (10/19 x2)(10/29 x2) (11/2)(11/5 x12)
 * Request for dossier by email (10/22 x4) (10/29 x3) (11/2) (10/19) (11/5 x3)
 * No rejection email, no dossier request...stuck in Limbo (11/2 x5)
 * EEO form received a week after email rejection (11/5x2) Always a nice touch, no?
 * Anybody else still stuck in Limbo at this point? (11/6)

Longwood University, Farmville VA (Victorian Lit, 11/1)

 * email ack and EEO forms (10/30) x2, (11/4) x4
 * Telephone interview scheduled (11/18) x4

Longwood University, Farmville VA (Romantic, 11/1)

 * email ack and EEO forms (10/29) x2, (11/2)

Miami University (OH) (Romantic poetry, 11/2)

 * Request for dossier and writing sample. (11/4) x 4
 * Request for dossier & writing sample (11/18) x3

Misericordia University, PA (19th Century, 11/20)

 * Postcard ack and EEO (11/3, 11/12, 11/20x2)
 * Q: In the ad, they ask for a "full" dossier, including the letters. What did you send to constitute the full dossier? Teaching statement, dis/book abstract and writing sample? So many places often have different expectations about what the "full" actually entails. I know it doesn't hurt to just send everything, but I'm curious to what applicants did choose to submit.
 * A: I sent letter, c.v. and ref letters and rec'd the EEO form as above. If "dossier" is supposed to mean something other than that, I think they'll say what they want. I have seen some ads that want teaching evals, etc, but they generally seem to say so.
 * Thanks so much for your reply.

Pacific Lutheran University (11/01; 18thc and Romantic lit) link

 * Teaching load: 3/3


 * See also discussion on the Restoration/18th-Century 2010 page
 * Dossier requested by email, 11/09 (x1) and 11/13 (x1) and 11/20 (x1) [were those dossiers requested from Romanticists or 18th-century specialists who also "do" Romanticism?]
 * In answer, I am a Romanticist who also does the 18th-century, but I think they probably want 18th-century specialists
 * A: Last year, this was an 18th-century-only search that failed when a candidate rejected the initial offer. This year, they expanded it to include Romanticism, so they must want both areas.  I am also a Romanticist who has researched and taught fairly extensively in the late 18th century
 * For what it's worth, I'm a true 18th c. with a decent amount of teaching (and debatably one article) in Romanticism and also got the dossier request. They seem to be open to the possibilities.
 * Pleasant rejection email including this information (11/23):


 * We received 134 applications, constituting a very strong pool of
 * candidates who all, like yourself, have impressive qualifications as a
 * teachers and scholars. As we must choose only fifteen candidates for
 * MLA interviews, I’m sure you can appreciate just how difficult our
 * selection process is.
 * FWIW, I'm a Romanticist with a lot of emphasis on the long C18.
 * I too was rejected and am a Romanticist focusing on poetry with some teaching/research in the 18th C.


 * Did anyone who was asked for dossier also get a rejection email? Or was this rejection to candidates who were never asked for dossiers?

Northern Kentucky University (19th-Century, preference for transatlantic or Victorian/Romantic poetry, 11/1)

 * email acknowledgment (10/29) x3, (11/2)
 * request for dossier by e-mail (11/13)
 * Would those contacted by NKU care to note whether they identify as Romanticists, Victorianists, or neither/both? Asked by a romanticist.
 * A: I study the long 19th century.
 * Has anyone heard anything aside from the request for dossier on 11/13 (I'm posting on 11/17)
 * There have been others contacted (Romanticist) who have not posted here. Not me though. *sigh* (posted 11/18)
 * No, in fact, I have yet to receive an ack that they ever got my materials. (11/17)
 * * Just the initial email ack.

Rhodes College (British Literature 1730-1830)
Thank you for your interest in the British Literature 1730-1830 Position in the English Department at Rhodes College. We will begin screening applications shortly and will be in contact as the search progresses. Thank you once again for your interest in Rhodes.
 * Nicely written ack email from search chair and EEO forms. Classy. (11/2, 11/12)
 * Would you be willing to cut and paste the body of that e-mail here?
 * Here it is:
 * We have received your letter of application, c.v., and 3 letters of recommendation. Your application is complete.


 * Email request for writing sample (11/20) (x3) [romanticists or long centurists?]
 * Long 18th, for me, but some teaching and publication are arguably romanticist. (x2)

Queens College, CUNY (Victorian, 11/26)

 * Letter ack (11/9) (11/16) (11/25 x 2)

Sam Houston State University (Romanticism, 12/7)

 * Note: this is an open rank search.

University of Chicago (19th-Century, 11/6)

 * request for writing sample (11/21) x3 Q: Did this arrive by email? Yes, in my case by email on Friday (11/20) night.
 * email request for writing sample (11/23) x5
 * [Could those asked for more material specify what their focus is within the 19th c -- Romanticism, Victorian, poetry?]
 * [In my case, 19C poetry x3] [Victorian novel x3] [early 19th cen]
 * two questions for those who were asked for writing samples
 * 1) are any of you ABD?
 * Yes (x1) No (x2)
 * 2) were any of your listed publications available online? (eg. through project muse?--mine is, and I'm desparately hoping that's why they didn't ask me for a WS). thanks in advance!
 * A: No (x1) Yes (x3)
 * A: Do you really think that U Chicago's committee is going to take the time to look up online publications for each candidate when they probably received 200+ applications? This seems like wishful thinking to me. X2 I complete agree with this statement.  Of course that is wishful thinking.
 * A: Seems to me (I'm not one of the above posters) that if Chicago wanted to read a sample and it is available via Muse, they'll look it up; it is extremely easy to do, and why would they bother asking candidate to send a sample if candidate has a published article available at the click of a computer key? Of course UChic won't look up EVERYONE's articles, but if they're interested in particular person, they quite probably would look it up.

University of Hartford (generalist in Anglophone with interests in 19th-century British, 10/28)

 * asked to fill out "Applicant Data Sheet" via email (10/30)
 * request for more materials (11/20)

University of Nebraska (19th Century, 11/1)
I'm just being paranoid because the UNL website kept crashing on me as I was applying. So ALL they are asking for at this point is our cover letter and CV right? They didn't ask for letters of reference or a writing sample....did they? Again, I had a lot of trouble with this website so I'm just double checking with "all y'all!"
 * As far as I know, you are absolutely correct -- they just want the CV and cover letter at this point. (ensuing discussion moved to "Discussion" below)
 * email request for more info (recs, teaching portfolio, transcripts, writing sample (11/9x11)
 * Any requests after 11/9? (11/12)
 * Does this mean the above question was posted on 11/12 or that someone received a request for more material on 11/12?
 * For those who did get request for more material/info, when did you send in your application? I'm hoping they just haven't gotten to mine yet... but of course this is wishful thinking on my part... Even Lincoln, Nebraska doesn't want me :(   [That definitely could be; I uploaded my materials 10/18, and was asked for more info on 11/9.] [I uploaded my materials on 10/29 and was asked for more materials on 11/9 x2] [Req for more on 11/9 as well]

University of Notre Dame (Romanticism, particularly poetry, 10/30)

 * Notification letter explaining that application materials were received and are "being circulated to the committee." 11/2; 11/5 (I'm in the Netherlands - snaaaiiilll maaaiiiilll)
 * No such letter in NY. Letter finally arrived.
 * Email request for letters of rec and writing sample (11/17) x5
 * Letters and sample requested by snail mail (11/20) x2
 * Rejection via snail mail (11/22) x2

University of Southern Indiana (Long 18th-Century or Rom./Vict., 10/1)

 * Email request for phone interview (10/20 x3)
 * Request to contact references (10/30)
 * Rejection email from search chair (11/13 X3)
 * Timeline: campus visits in November; will make offer in early December
 * Is this unusual, or somethng a lot of schools are doing? Making offers for 2010 before the MLA conference?  Doesn't the MLA have guidelines about this?
 * A: Indeed, I believe they do.
 * A: Some schools are operating outside of MLA guidelines/protocol in order to take advantage of a down market. It stands to reason that they can save money by choosing not to do MLA interviews, and instead invite candidates to campus without that step.  Doing it earlier rather than later allows them to make offers without negotiating against competing offers, while taking advantage of candidates' anxieties about lack of available jobs, thus perhaps landing a more attractive hire than they would have otherwise.  While I disagree with this course of action in principle, I admire their pragmatism.  They're clearly making no secret of their process.
 * A: There's always a few schools who do this every year. I don't think it's necessarily a result of the down market.
 * A: A more charitable reading might be that in the face of impending budget cuts, they're trying to secure the line ASAP.
 * A: Indeed, all biases revealed, I heavily favor realism over charity.
 * A: The person who gets this offer, negotiate the hell out of it. In a down market, some places will offer the lowest salary. Let's not take that.  It's not enough to have a job; make sure it's a good job and that employers will support everything you do.
 * USI is making the candidate be dishonest. You should accept the job and go ahead with the MLA interviews.  If you get a better job, withdraw from USI.  Or, use this as a renewed bargaining position.  If they weren't playing at least a little dirty, the applicants would not have to as well.
 * Q: I have a campus visit in late November at USI for another field (non-18th/19th century). What am I supposed to do if I get offered the job in early December? How can I tell them that I have to wait until the MLA at least? Can they force me to make a decision before the MLA, etc.?
 * It's standard practice that you have two weeks to make a decision. In this case, it's likely that they are doing the search early to force people to decide before MLA. For the smaller schools, this allows them to get good candidates without having them stolen away by bigger schools. And, yes, they can force you to decide. This happened to a friend of mine two years ago: she got an offer from a school she really liked in early December, but had three MLA interviews already scheduled. She ultimately rejected the offer, interviewed, and got a better job in the end. Good luck.
 * Q: If the MLA has guidelines about this, as suggested above, can't these practices be called into question? Does anyone know a contact person at the MLA?
 * You must be confusing academia with some other system where the powerless (e.g. applicants) have rights. MLA guidelines are just that: guidelines. There is no way to enforce them.
 * Right. Another common misconception is that this is not "business." There's nothing stopping any school from playing hardball, esp. in this market.
 * Here is what the MLA guidelines actually say (as someone else noted above, these are guidelines and recommendations not rules that Departements are necessarily bound by): "No candidate should be required before 22 January to give a final answer to an offer of a position without tenure for the following academic year, however early an offer is tendered. A formal good faith offer is a written document on official letterhead from an authorized representative of the institution (e-mail transmission of offers is not recommended). This document should stipulate the terms of appointment. Candidates should be afforded a minimum of two weeks following receipt to accept or reject a formal offer." Note the language here - much virtue in "should."  I wouldn't be surprised if more departments start trying to get offers out early this year as they attempt to shortcut potential budgetary cutbacks that may result in the loss of a position.  Job-seekers should definitely negotiate strongly, but be mindful of birds in hand as opposed to focusing too much attention on hypothetical birds in bushes!

University of Tennessee (Romantic Literature and Culture, 11/1)

 * Email ack with complete info on the search and the committee's schedule. Nice touch. (11/2 x3)


 * Posting this schedule would be most helpful, if it's possible. I am not applying for this post (I'm a Victorianist), but appreciate seeing other departments processes.


 * OK, here you go:


 * "By mid-November, those making the first cut will be e-mailed and asked to have their dossiers and writing samples sent to us. By mid-December, the committee will select the candidates to be interviewed at MLA.  If you are among those selected, we will be in touch with you by phone at that time.  Please let us know a phone number and/or e-mail address at which you can be reached in December if these are different from those on your Vita.


 * "We expect to complete this search shortly after MLA, inviting final candidates to campus in January and February. If you are among those invited, you will hear from me by letter or phone.  If you have any questions about the search process or the state of your application, feel free to e-mail me anytime after November 15 and I will tell you what I know."


 * Emailed request for dossier and writing sample. (11/13) (x4)

University of Toronto-Mississauga (Victorian, 11/2)

 * email acknowledgment (10/27, 11/1)
 * email ack and request to upload application material to online recruitement system (11/9) Is this a request to upload *more* materials or the materials that were initially required for submitting the application (letter, cv and writing sample)? (11/12). In answer to the question, to upload material initially required, including transcripts/ref. letters. Anyone else get this request? Was I the only one to mail in my application?
 * Fourth year running they've advertised this position. Are they that hard to please? Is it just a quirk of the Canadian process?
 * they had a candidate turn down this position several years ago; his profile was fairly idiosyncratic, and my suspicion is that they are trying very hard to find another copy of this person.
 * just out of curiosity, what was his profile [the person who turned down UTM] like? I'm just trying to be as "realistic" with myself as possible, and recognize I likely won't be getting a job this year. Does anyone know, for example, if he was from an ivy league US university, with ample publications? Or was his area of specialization of particular interest to the department?
 * actually, they filled the position several years ago -- a year or so after the other person turned them down-- but the person they hired found another job soon after and left. they ran the search last year but didn't hire anyone at the end of it. said they couldn't find anyone suitable -- in this job market! they ought to give some thought to how they run their searches: they have at least six professors from two campuses participating in MLA interviews but it isn't the same six the whole time. can't imagine how a committee can reach a fair decision if the same members aren't participating the whole time. depending on who participates you could get someone who gazes at the wall or someone who rolls her eyes and tries to prod another committee member to laugh at you. i had both, lucky me. they won't ask a single question about your teaching but they will ask a number of dumb questions that you should be able to answer on the spot but, because they have nothing to do with your research or teaching, you'll be so taken aback that you won't know what to say. you won't have a conversation about your work with them. rather, you'll be defending it against outrageous statements and questions that will make you wonder why they selected your application in the first place. (i know five people who have interviewed with them and their experiences are all consistent with mine.) oh, speaking of applications, they'll all on be on the table in folders with the short-listed candidates names on them, and the committee members will have a little chart of the candidates in front of them. i had four other MLA interviews and all of them made me feel like I was the only candidate they were interviewing. the other schools asked tough questions but they weren't rude or hostile. oh, and the best part about utm's MLA interviewing process: they'll invite all of the job candidates to a cash bar where you'll be forced to talk with your competitors because the toronto faculty and students will be too busy conversing among themselves to mingle with you.
 * wow! sounds horrible! I'm really sorry you went through such a horrible experience, but thanks for your vivid description. If I do get an interview (which is doubtful), at least I know what I'm in for.
 * could the person describing the horrible Toronto interview be more explicit about the committee's disarming questions? I'm mystified by what exactly a committee might ask that would be so unusual (even if "dumb," as you say). curious to know more.

University of Vermont (19th-Century novel, 11/15)

 * UVM wants rec letters either uploaded or sent via email, correct? Anyone find any indication they'll accept post if one's dossier service doesn't do email and one's referees are nurturing a healthy paranoia about sending things electronically?
 * I don't know if this helps but Interfolio Doisser Services does deliver to e-mail addresses. Maybe you can tranfer dossier services? Interfolio is cheap (and I've found it to be extremely reliable.) If not, I'm sure hard copies sent to the department would be fine (especially if you noted that in your cover letter). I can't imagine why they wouldn't accept hard copies.....
 * Out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know the teaching load at Vermont?

"University of Wisconsin—La Crosse (19th-Century, 11/20)

 * 11/20 received a blank email with an image attached. The image is of a cloudscape. No text. Any interpretations? [I don't have an answer for you or even a witty interpretation; I'm just writing to say that this is hilarious!] OK- So, I called on Friday, but everyone had left the office. All weekend, I was musing on the cloudscape, slipping into zen reflections. Monday morning comes and I wait for the office to open... And voila! Here comes another email. No text again, same image attached! I wish this story had a better ending, but it doesn't. I got on a different web browser and opened the email to discover that it was only alerting me to the fact that I needed to send them another reference letter. I gather that the cloudscape is a background that my browser didn't support, blanking the email out altogether.


 * Strange. I received an email today from the same university informing me that one of my rec. letters had not been submitted.  I responded to the address that contacted me with a question and the respondent (who did not give a name in the communication, oddly enough) was quite polite and congenial.  So email back and let them know there was an issue with their email!  And let us know what it was all about, please.
 * I couldn't figure out how to get them my rec. letters. How did people applying for this job submit them?
 * Did you read the job ad? It said, "To submit 'confidential references' with your Profile and supporting documents for this position, please have the letters mailed to Diana Johnson, English Department, UW-La Crosse,  and indicate recruitment # 0600077 in the cover letter accompanying the reference letter(s). Please also indicate in the reference letter attachment during the online application process, that your letter(s) are being submitted confidentially." In addition, the job application generated an auto email to each of the references that you listed
 * Apparently I didn't read the correct ad. Of the 3 versions available, only the one on the English department site has the information you just shared. The MLA ad doesn't have it, nor does their HR site ad where you submit the application.
 * Oh, I didn't use any of those sites. They posted this ad on the Chronicle of Higher Education and  HigherEdJobs.com late last spring (May-ish).

Winona State University (18th-Century/Romanticism, 11/9)

 * The job ad defines 18th century as inclusive of Romanticism (1642-1832)
 * The online app is kind of a pain, so if you wait until the last second, beware.

Winona State University (19th-Century, 11/9)

 * This job is for British and/or American
 * automated email acknowledgment (11/6)

Discussion/Questions
U Nebraska
 * Tis the season to be paranoid.
 * I'm curious to see how this works out for them. Seems an odd process, doesn't it?
 * According to MLA guidelines, schools are not supposed to ask for all of the materials up front because it is expensive for candidates, and, really, it makes sorting through all the applications more difficult anyway. Search committees who ask up front for letters of recommendation (most of which they won't even read) are asking candidates using a dossier service to spend $6-8 per packet of letters.  Now add $10-30 in fees for official transcripts from (in my case, four) schools for search committees that request those up front, too.  That's $16-38 expense per school so far.  Then, multiply that cost by 30-70 job applications per year.  Search committees should be able to tell whether they want to interview you by what you say in your letter, what your CV shows that you've accomplished, and how well those facets match their departmental needs.
 * in this market, where is anyone finding 30 - 70 jobs to apply to a year? I must be doing something wrong.
 * A:I work in literature and two interdisciplinary/theoretical areas, which widens the pool of jobs.
 * I, for one, do not send official transcripts when asked in the first round. That's ridiculous and expensive.  I also have nowhere near to 70 jobs to apply to this year, but maybe this Friday will be different...
 * A: Same here for official transcripts. They don't need official copies until they hire someone.
 * I'm curious about the cynicism in the statement regarding up front letters of recommendation - "most of which they won't even read." If this is in fact true (and for the three search committtees for tenure-track positions I have served on it is not, personally) perhaps the fault lies in the recommenders and/or the candidate for controling her or his portfolio of letters to the extent that they are able to do so.  I do start to skim the second, third, and fourth letters from dissertation committee members in the sections where they EACH recount a detailed 3-4 page, single-spaced precis of the dissertation.  But I zero in on what (if anything) is original and unique to those letters.
 * Many of these schools receive 100-200 applications, and if my comment seemed cynical, that is because I doubt that committees in general read 300-600 letters of recommendation before making the first cut. Maybe your institution is more thorough.

Queens College, CUNY


 * reposted on CHE w/ deadline 11/26 (10/29) Same job, right? A: Yes, the deadline was a typo from when I posted it here yesterday.
 * In trying to reach the application website, I received a warning message stating web certificate contains invalid information. In order to get to the actual application, you need to override your computer's security settings. Has anyone else had this problem?  A: I didn't have this exact problem but the online application system seemed to be erasing sections of the application--after I had saved them--then the whole application disappeared, then I couldn't log back in, then I got a message saying my application had been submitted--when I hadn't finished or gone near the 'submit' button . . . what a mess! My application is going in the post regardless of the urgings to use the online system. Between this and the conflicting job ads, I'm already horrified at the institution's poor organization!
 * Please answer two questions: (1) Do we have to apply for Queens online? I'm following their MLA posting from October, which asked for materials to be mailed. (2) What is CHE? (I'm only familiar with the ADE/MLA job websites.)  Thanks!
 * CHE=Chronicle of Higher Education([1])
 * Queens does not require online applications, though the posting indicates that they strongly encourage it.
 * My September record of the QC MLA JIL posting gives no indication of an electronic submission preference or procedure.
 * Check out the latest CHE listing.[2]
 * If I had to apply again, I'd mail my stuff in. The website (CUNYfirst) is insanely frustration. It's bloated, slow, and kept kicking me out when I tried to preview documents. Many buttons either work incorrectly or don't work at all. Waste of time and sanity. Argh. Followup: I spoke too soon. Unable to complete the application online. I'm sending it by snail mail. Unbelievable. Worst online application I've ever seen.
 * Seconded. I would've cheerfully jumped through all their silly hoops but there wasn't, so far as I could tell, a place to upload the cover letter.  Oh, wait, found it,but it doesn't seem to work.
 * I was able to upload materials onto the website, but I had switch browsers and reset some of my browser settings in order to do so. It's tricky, but (for those still struggling with the system) it can be done!
 * Nov 25 -- I just submitted my application online and had no serious problems with the online system. It is a little disorganized, so some patience is needed, but no hair pulling was necessary.
 * Q: did the letter of acknowledgement arrive via mail or email? I haven't received one yet :S
 * Q: Did everyone else's letter of acknowledgement say that you should send the dossier if you haven't done so already? I'm trying to judge whether this means they never got it, or if it is a standard statement. A: It is a standard statement.  I sent my dossier in plenty of time and my ack letter said it too.
 * A: Get this, I am so nervous that when I received this letter I instantly emailed the chair to be sure my letters were received. I was told that it is indeed a form letter.
 * Q: did the ack. letter arrive via mail or email?
 * A: I received mine via snail mail.

Winona State
 * how exactly is one supposed to submit letters of recommendation online for Winona State? or do they mean names of referees only? This is one of the most bizarre submission formats yet...
 * A: Agreed--also add annoying. I had my dossier service scan and submit letters (gave them my login information and password and asked them to upload them--recommended only if you know/trust your dossier service).  Turns out it was all irrelevant: after you submit your electronic application, it says something like, "If you have not yet submitted letters of reference, have them mailed to..."  Would have been nice for them to say as much in the posting.  Editorial aside: it seems like the lower quality the institution, the higher the degree of aggravation in its application procedures (transcripts?  Who wants transcripts?).
 * If you consider it a "lower-quality institution," then why apply? leave it for those of us who think it sounds like kind of a neat place to be.
 * A: Calling it a "lower-quality institution" doesn't mean it's not a great place to teach. There's nothing wrong with calling Southern Indiana and Winona State of lower quality than Lehigh and Boston College, and likewise, the discussion comparing these schools and the application materials required is relevant and revealing.
 * The job ad for Winona says to just submit the names of the references: "Please submit the following materials: 1) A cover letter addressing how you meet the responsibilities and qualifications in the order listed above; 2) Resume; 3) Transcripts (undergraduate and graduate); and 4) a list of at least 3 references, with addresses and telephone numbers."
 * Yes, that's what the ad says, but the online submission form asks for letters to be uploaded or sent via post. In fact, it says something rather alarmist, like "Your application will not be forwarded unless it is complete!"  So, does the online submission form, with its fearsome threat to withhold your incomplete application, take precedence over the ad?
 * "...it seems like the lower quality the institution, the higher the degree of aggravation in its application procedures..." I second that motion! Aggravated X2.
 * My favorite are the persnickety questions on applications such as this, asking for entire employment and education background with corroborating phone contacts and dates and the like. You would think by this point I would have all this information cleverly written down in one place for future reference.  But no.
 * I don't think the lameness of their HR site reflects badly on Winona State's department or programs. They probably just want to hire someone and are putting up with whatever HR mandates. So many of these HR systems use the exact same software interface, down to the type font and site design. ("Click "LOGIN" at the left!") Can we please have a centralized site, HR departments? I have never felt more innocent of all felonies and misdemeanors in my life, because your sites have made me say so 37 times...
 * Everyone else may already know this, but Interfolio has an option for one to upload confidential letters of rec to webpages.
 * Q: How does that work exactly? How do you upload into a web form where you have to be logged in?