Talk:Rhetoric/Composition 2013

Demographics for 2012-13 Rhet-Comp Job Search

 * When you add yourself to one of the categories below, don't forget to add one to the Total number at the bottom!

ABD (early): 2

ABD (will finish this academic year): 11

Ph.D. in hand (one-year, VAP, Lecturer, post-doc): 3

Ph.D. in hand (unable to find full-time academic employment at the moment):

Assistant Professor: 2

Associate Professor: 1

Full Professor:

Lurker: 2

Search committee member: 3

Total: 22

3/3 Jobs?
Hello!

I'm curious what ya'all's impressions are of a "3/3" job. Obviously the teaching load is 3 courses each semester, but does anyone have an impression of what the research expectations would be for a job like that?

Thanks

EB 2012 (talk) 18:37, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

A: A 3/3 job usually relies heavily on research as the primary form of getting tenured and promoted.

A: This is institution specific. 3/3 jobs with 15 students per class will likely have different research expectations than 3/3 jobs with 25 or 30 students per class. I have a friend at a 3/3 institution and they have tenured people with three articles, which means they aren't exactly relying on research as the primary form of getting tenure.


 * Quick question, when a school tells you they require X number of articles for tenure, does that include articles you have already published prior to coming into the position? Rhetorician (talk) 18:10, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not my field, but in my experience, usually not, unless you specifically negotiate for them to count during the hiring process. I'm sure it depends on the institution, though. Una74 (talk) 18:31, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am a faculty member at an insitution with a 3/3 load. Here, research is the primary measure for tenure. While rank and tenure boards are reluctant to give firm guidelines, the feeling around here is that fewer than six articles is a problem. But yes, this is very institution dependant. And in most places those X articles required for tenure need to published after you started the job (unless you negotiated otherwise or are on an accelerated track). Metaxanthalis (talk) 16:20, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

this year vs. last year
If memory serves, there were more positions initially last year than this year. Isn't that right? What is your impression about the number and types of jobs this year vs. last year?


 * Yes, that is my impression too: Fewer jobs this year (at least so far). Last year there was an unusually large number of jobs. And many of them trickled in later in the season.VanaWhite (talk) 12:57, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * For some reason, I remember 74 jobs in rhet/comp on the first day, which is higher than this year, but it looks like, based on an MLA report just released, last year was also a year where there were more jobs that were posted after the fall JIL:
 * "Once again, departments announced more positions later in the academic year.
 * For the third year in a row, and the third time in the thirty-seven-year history of
 * the JIL counts, more jobs were advertised in the February, April, and Summer issues
 * than in the October and December issues—51.8% of jobs in the English edition and
 * 61.1% of jobs in the foreign language edition."
 * That may or may not happen again this year. If it doesn't this would certainly be a smaller year than last.
 * Rhetorician (talk) 18:06, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Tenure Track year-to-year contract?
Getting an education from you all on the finer points....This wording seemed abit unusually to me in the Albany State ad:

"This position is a contractual relationship, renewable on a year-to-year basis, based on availability of funds, and is a tenure track position."

Are most tt contracts renewable yearly? Rhetorician (talk) 18:53, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Again, I think this depends on the institution. Some schools have a mandatory 3rd year review for untenured faculty, after which your contract may or may not be renewed. Some schools do an annual review of non-tenured faculty to determine whether to renew contracts. Some schools don't really do a full review until the year you're up for tenure. I've also heard of annual contract review as one outcome of the 3rd year review (that is, if there were some questions or concerns at the 3rd year review, they might want to keep you on the closer watch of an annual review, instead of renewing the contract for another 3 full years). Until you have tenure, you're not free and clear of reviews and renewals (and even after tenure, some places have a post-tenure review process, although optimally, the bar should be set pretty high for non-renewal of contracts at this stage). I'm sure others could add to this, but I hope this helps to clarify some aspects. Una74 (talk) 21:24, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Rhetoric Jobs
Hi Rhetoric.

I'm the admin for comm jobs and I'm feelng like it isn't a good use of my time to post rhetoric jobs. Can I just post URLs somewhere for y'all?

http://www.jobtarget.com/c/job.cfm?site_id=560&job=11042411

http://chronicle.com/jobs/0000746568-01/?cid=ja&utm_source=ja&utm_medium=en

Thanks Commie4life (talk) 20:22, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the links -- the job from the Chronicle truly does appear to be a Rhet/Comp job (was also advertised in MLA JIL), so I posted it on this page. The Wilkes job, however, really does seem to be more of a Comm. job, even though it has "Rhetoric" in the title and I'm not sure it really fits on this page (even as a cross-listing ... it doesn't really seem to involve writing pedgogy in any way). I imagine the people who apply for it will expect to see it on the Comm page, so I just went ahead and posted it on the Comm Jobs page. If someone else does end up cross-listing it on this page, I'll add a cross-list link. Una74 (talk) 20:30, September 28, 2012 (UTC)